Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 09:59:53 -0500 From: "Dr. Eric Walters" To: JBUTLER@UH.EDU MIME-version: 1.0 > I have this hypothesis that the issue of slavery may have been a strong >force in dictating the migration of the Dyes from Middlesex County , New >Jersey. Did the Ohio River serve as a "natural boundary" for those who >were pro slavery and those who were not? John, Regarding your hypothesis about slavery & migration--following is an excerpt from "Coler Family History & Genealogy," published in 1900, about another of my ancestors, David COLER. He was raised in Virginia (West Virginia) and later moved to southern Ohio, and his story fits your theory. Best regards, Eric -------------- David Coler, the fifth child of Henry Coler and Margretta Rumurs, was born January 22, 1789, at Old Fields, W. Va. [then part of Virginia], where he was raised, there and at the Patterson Creek Mountain farm, five miles distant. In 1819 he married Miss Sarah Hughes, who was born and raised near the same place. Ten children were born to this union--five boys and five girls. They lived near Mayville, then Hardy County, now Grant County, Virginia, until all their children were married except Julia Ann, their youngest daughter. David Coler had, all his married life, wanted to move to Ohio, but his wife, Sarah, would never consent until in 1854 her favorite son John was married and moved to Ohio. She could not bear to be separated from him so she consented to come too. They settled in Ross County, twelve miles from Chillicothe, where their son David had gone before them. He was a man of strength of character and of more than ordinary intelligence for one that lived in the time he did. He was always opposed to slavery and of course was not liked by the slave holders of Virginia. He was called "Marsa Coler" because of the respect the colored people paid him. They could not help but admire his courage and firmness. At different times they offered to give him a start with a "pair," but he would never consent. He spent his life on the farm clearing up the heavily timbered land and making for himself and family a home. He died March 13, 1857, on his farm near Alma, Ross County, Ohio. ---------- * D. Eric Walters, Ph.D., Associate Professor, Biological Chemistry * Finch University of Health Sciences/The Chicago Medical School * 3333 Green Bay Road, North Chicago, IL 60064 * ph 847-578-8613;fax 847-578-3240; email: walterse@mis.finchcms.edu * "A man would do nothing if he waited until he could do it so well that * no one would find fault with what he had done." --Cardinal Newman * * visit my web page! http://www.finchcms.edu/biochem/walters.html * * Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 22:27:21 -0400 From: bluebrd Subject: Lawrence and Mary Ann Vantrease Dye Sender: "Disucssions of the history of the Dye, Dey and Duyts families" To: THEDYESOCIETY@LISTSERV.UH.EDU Reply-to: bluebrd@ROANOKE.INFI.NET MIME-version: 1.0 Kari, The following are exerpts from Fleming County, KY Circuit Court records which may interest you. 1. Fleming Co, KY Circuit Court File # 6292, Abner Hord vs. Lawrence Dye (defendent), September 1838 Lawrence owed Abner Hord $75 of a $200 loan which had been "due since 25th day of December 1837 and no part has been paid. The said Lawrence resides or formerly resided in The County of Fleming where he has a tract of land containing 157 acres, 2 slaves and a considerable portion of personal estate as your orator is informed, which said property is under the management and [could not read this word] of his brother John Dye. But the said Lawrence Dye, about the last of December 1837 left the state of Kentucky and went to the State of South Carolina with some horses and mules as he was informed, and the said Lawrence Dye has not returned ... since." Hord asked for an attachment against the lands & effects of Lawrence Dye and payment of court costs. The Sheriff was authorized to seize the lands to the amount of $75 plus interest and court costs and hold them until further order of the court. 2. Fleming Co Circuit Court File # 6676, David Henderson vs Lawrence and Mary Ann Dye, 11 May 1839 Lawrence owed David Henderson $100 for the "purchase of smith work" 19 Oct 1837. Lawrence was in the "Southern Country of Georgia" and had not returned as expected. His wife, Mary Ann, and his personal property were still in Fleming County, Kentucky. On 16 Nov 1839, Lawrence's property was sold as decreed by Circuit Court: 1 mantle clock, 3 beds and furniture, 1 secretary, 1 dining table, 1 candlestand, 1 looking glass, 6 common split bottom chairs, one cupboard and contents, 1 sorrel colt, 16 head of sheep, 4 hemp breaks, 1 fire shovel, 1 teakettle, 1 cutting machine, 1 ten gallon kettle, 2 smoothing irons, 2 shovel ploughs, 1 wash tub, 1 churn, 1 grindstone, 1 McCormick plow, 1 Cary plough. Sold for a total of $127.14. In testimony his brother, John Dye, stated that Lawrence went to Georgia about 15 Sept 1838 and was last heard from in Crawfordsville, Georgia and that he had with him when he left some household and kitchen furniture and some stock consisting of horses, mules, hoggs [sic], cattle and sheep, "and further this deponent saith not". 3. Fleming Co, KY Circuit Court File # 6990, Jeremiah Wells vs. Nehemiah and Lawrence Dye, Sept 1840 This suit concerned a note for $640 owed since 1837, with Nehemiah Dye as surety. However in September 1840 Nehemiah "has little or no property of value". An order was entered to seize and sell "the property of said Dye in the hands of his wife, Nehemiah Dye, and Samuel Fitzgerald for payment of $640 with interest from March 1838" plus costs. The Sheriff seized 1 bay mare ($60), 1 dun mare ($40), 4 coults [sic] ($35 each), 1 mule ($30), 2 milk cows ($12 each), 8 yearling calves ($8 each), 1 [Learham]? calf ($50), 80 head of stock hogs ($80), 17 head of hogs (?), 5 tons of hemp ($350). 4. Fleming Co, KY Circuit Court File # 7243, Claiborn F. Wood vs. Lawrence and Mary Ann Dye and Samuel Fitzgerald, March 1841 Lawrence owed Claiborn F. Wood $83.49. Hiram Dye and Henry C. Tully made a deposition at the counting room of Anderson and Wood, Helena, Mason County, KY, who swore the above amount was a just and true accounting of goods purchased of Anderson and Wood in February 1838 - November 1838 (tea, sugar, coffee mill, molasses, indigo, etc.). The Sheriff seized slaves, Harriet ($200) and Henry ($300) from Mary Ann. Other Fleming County Circuit court cases which I did not copy are: 1. #6200, Lawrence Dye et al (defendent) vs. Jno. L. Luman, Sept 1838 2. #6253, Lawrence Dye et al (defendent) vs. Abner Hord, Sept 1838 3. #6817, Lawrence Dye (defendent) vs. Harrison Summers, Mar 1840 4. #7286, Lawrence Dye (defendent) vs. Edward G. Wood, Mar 1841 (may be the same as #7243) Are you descended from their son, Hiram, and his son, J.W. Dye? Did they have any other children? Eleanor Dye Hi, As a descendant of Billy Dye (if he is the William Dye married to Phebe Mounteer) from his daughter Abigail, I have a comment on this. At least 3 of Abigail's children emigrated to Illinois (Lawrence, John & Nehemiah), and of those at least two (John & Lawrence) fought in the Civil War in the UNION army. I have thought before that that fact was kind of ironic. Abigail inherited at least one slave in William's will - don't know what happened to that slave. Abigail married Zephaniah White in 1924 after the death of her husband (& cousin) Peter Dye in 1822. Lawrence Dye is also the ancestor who I have the military description of having dark complexion, black hair and black eyes - I have wondered about Indian blood - haven't found it yet, but the description makes me not rule it out. Another ironic thing is that on Lawrence's certificate of disability for Discharge from the army it says: "During the last two months said soldier has been unfit for duty for sixty days in consequence of diarrhea and old age - he being fifty six years of age; the long heavy marches through Kentucky, during the month of October, broke him down completely, and unless he is soon discharged will die." So Lawrence was in an unit from Illinois that saw duty in Kentucky - he was fighting for the Union, and probably knew folks that had stayed in Kentucky that were fighting for the Confederacy - maybe some of his relatives. The Civil War was so full of that kind of thing, it really would be so hard. Kari